Hydrogen has a lower flame speed and acts as a catalyst to help the fossil fuels burn more cleanly and completely. This is why only a small amount of hydrogen is needed. Hydrogen isn’t supposed to displace gasoline. A small amount of hydrogen causes a chain reaction with gasoline which burns more completely with less carbon deposits and runs cooler than without HHO.

Unfortunately you are exactly the type of person Dennis Lee targets. I suspect that when you pressed the send button that you were pleased with having made a cogent and well argued response. The problem is that you didn’t listen well enough in chemistry or physics class and have made the fundamental mistake of confusing liquids with gases.

One liter of liquid diesel contains roughly 36500 BTUs and one liter of hydrogen gas contains 9.54. Your first clue in all of this should be weight. Pick up a liter of diesel or gasoline and you are moving about 8 lbs of fuel. A liter of hydrogen is for all practical purposes lighter than air.

So going back to your 6 minutes, diesel is bringing 141437.5 BTUs to this fight and your hydrogen is bringing 114.48 or less than one tenth of a percent. Those are the numbers you should be looking at.

As to displacing fuel, that is just not possible either. Look at a simple 2.0 liter engine running at 3000 rpm. That engine goes through 6000 liters of gaseous mixture a minute. And you are telling me that by adding 2 magic liters or 0.03333% of the mix that you will see drastic changes.

There just isn’t enough hydrogen produced to make any difference by a long shot. This isn’t even a very close race.

If you were driving a 18-wheeler that gets 6mpg at 60 mph. you would go thru a gallon of gas every 6 minutes, or every 6 miles. 1 US gallon of diesel = 3.875 ltrs per 6 minutes.

During that same 6 minutes, a decent HHO unit will produce at 20 Amps around 1.5 – 2.0 ltrs of HHO gas per minute. So with this math… we use 3.875 liters of diesel and enrich it with 9-12 liters of HHO gas. Pretty close to 3 to 1 anyway that you slice it.

It is so easy for people to overlook the power that is in an extremely small amount of diesel because they have accepted it and been around it all of their lives. We multiply that volume by 3, but people don’t see that or even register it into their arguments.

I’m used to hearing about the “Laws of Thermo-Dynamics” yes, they are valid arguments, but the gains in economy aren’t because of the HHO gas alone. It is because of that large amount of fossil fuel that isn’t burned in the combustion chamber. That is wasted BTU’s of energy. By getting a better and more complete burn of your fossil fuels we are getting our efficiency. Our gains in Horse Power and fuel economy are coming from the fossil fuel that was previously wasted.

The other benefits that people don’t recognize because they aren’t in the industry is that HHO actually “cleans” the inside of the engines. Carbon and soot after 3-4 months nearly completely disappears from the inside of engines. Injectors become clean and spray better, valves actually begin to seat the way they should, and rings are no longer clogged. Your engine flows air thru it the way it did when it was new. That is why gains in fuel economy increase gradually over a few months after installing HHO on your equipment. No longer will EGR, and DPF’s kill engines from soot and poor eficiency.

Enjoy the cleaner emissions thru better burning of the fuel.

Seems to me that most of the debate is between people who have never had one installed then compared MPG with their “before” MPG. Of course you can do a bad job of installing it, but the link you gave before my first post should get you to someone who knows what they are doing.

I’m pretty old school and determine my MPG by odometer and the amount of gas I put in when I fill up. That’s all I need and don’t really care about the “science” of it.
Robert Fulton’s steamboat didn’t work either.

If it doesn’t this will add another cloud over the whole HHO industry. But, no matter which way it goes Ronn Motors stands to be a high profile key player open to intense public scrutiny when they start rolling out their products.

I have had dealings with Dateline on an entirly different field. They had their story before even contacting us and set about “proving” their story regardless of what they saw, heard or experienced. The only promise they didn’t break was the time and date that they said they would come to interview us.

https://www.hydrolectricpower.com/

The electrolyze water, separate the hydrogen and feed this into the ICE.

In terms of leaning the engine down–which there is not enough HHO produced to do–you can lean the engine down and make some headway but you screw up your catalytic converted in the process which is why these devices are illegal in CA. And you really don’t need an HHO device to do that, just adjust the computer and save yourself a couple of grand (I am not suggesting that you do that because running lean increases the NOx emisions.

Yes, small amounts of hydrogen can be injected into gasoline and function as a fuel and likely improve efficiency a few percent. But what we are talking about from these on-board, alternator-powered generators is so small that it cannot possibly materially influence what is happening in the cylinders. What we are arguing about here is not the chemistry or the process but rather the physical limitations of how much hydrogen can be produced by these devices as they are designed.

This is not a condemnation of hydrogen or HHO but rather a specific class of HHO generators that take a small amount of electricity and too slowly convert it into too little hydrogen.